Thanks for uploading those files... the *-fyters thing was interesting, I'd always wondered what that really was about. I agree, a big problem they had was that it was full o' younger teenagers who didn't really do much but u/d stuff all over the place like you said. And as such, they were pretty much spit upon by the rest of the telecom scene as wannabes. It was a unique idea though, from the guy who started it. Glad you enjoy the cDc stuff and the AE. It's not much but at least it's an AE (or something close, anyhow...) Yeah, I can start putting the new releases out as ShrinkIt archives too. That's a good idea, i just didn't know there was demand for it unless somebody says something, so thanks.o thanks. Oh yeah, the t-file primer file... i especially liked the points about trying to keep files intact and non-edited and encouraging people to date their files. Most of the files i run across now are being dated which is good. 'cause the systems will continue to be upgraded and technology marches on, blah blah... but t-files can conceivably float around forever 'cause data is data. Same old 40 column upper case file written in '81 on an Apple II+ that ends up on somebody's '586 'puter in 1995, ya know. So it's important to date things so readers can have an understanding of the context it was written in. S. Ratte'/cDc