Awhuxlb.124 net.unix-wizards utcsrgv!utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!harpo!whuxlb!ech Tue Jan 12 23:32:13 1982 Reply to WHAT I WANT (Bartels) - Give me a couple of days. I am not sure I am comfortable being classified as an 'a', but I sure have no problems working with what you describe as 'b's: you see, I COLLABORATE with the Human Factors folks in trying to design, build, and document user-friendly operations systems for the phone company. I will try to come up with a set of 'guidelines' for you in what kind of experiments are possible in assessing user interfaces. - Please recognize that I am NOT an expert at measuring the effectiveness/ user-friendliness/etc. of user interfaces; that's why I am asking for time. - Please ask YOURSELF whether you really believe that there is anything better (i.e. more quantitative, more rational) than your 'gut feel' about an interface. I am not trying to bait you here, that is a real question. If user interfaces are, in your estimation, simply a matter of taste which defy objective measurement, then let's agree that this is a religious argument and end it right here. Otherwise, let's try to keep the flame burning lower on both sides of the discussion. - Sorry for what was (apparently) excessive sarcasm in my previous epistle. To repeat my problem in less incendiary terms, I will again stipulate that the UNIX interface is inhospitable to many people, including me at times. The question is how to modify that inter- face, or better yet provide an alternative, which better suits another class of people. That is not easy, and moreover it is likely to attract people who will criticize it without providing an alternative. Again, I am not trying to bait you: just asking you to recognize that NO interface will serve EVERYBODY well, and those ill-served are likely to feel some hostility toward those well-served. To that end, the first thing you have to do is DEFINE the class of people that you wish to serve better, and then propose some measures that allow you to measure your success at serving them. - Finally, that whatever its faults, UNIX provides tremendous flexibility for tailoring an environment. It may be that you have to be a type 'a' (whatever that is! context-dependent, you know!) to utilize that flexibility, but please recognize that there are plenty of type 'a's around who will be pleased as punch to assist the effort to do better. A couple of good suggestions have already appeared in this forum, and I would like to see (and will propose) more. T Keep the faith, =Ned Horvath= ----------------------------------------------------------------- gopher://quux.org/ conversion by John Goerzen of http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed freely, provided: 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.